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https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-29-5131-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.Neural networks in catchment hydrology: a comparative study of different algorithms in an ensemble of ungauged basins in Germany
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On the NSE metric, R squared, and coefficient of determination
In the discussion paper, Table 5 summarizes performances of three ANN models based on the NSE, R squared, and three other metrics. Using their top NSE value as a key, this is distilled below:
Model, NSE, R squared
CNN, 0.76, 0.82
LSTM, 0.75, 0.82
GRU, 0.72, 0.79
This shows that R squared establishes, empirically, an upper limit of the NSE. This is an interesting finding for interpreting the NSE. It helps answer a puzzling question, how high can an NSE value go, below a score of 1 for a perfect model being the observation. Kratzert et al. (2024, Figure 5) achieve a top median NSE value of ~0.79 for 531 CAMELS basins for LSTM model. In terms of achieving a highest possible NSE value which remains elusive, "even these 531 basins are most likely not enough to train optimal LSTM models for streamflow." (ibid., Lines 81-84).
But to be clear, is the authors' Coefficient of Determination (R squared) in Lines 330-331 the square of Pearson or linear correlation coefficient, gamma, defined in Equation 1 for the KGE metric and Line 240?
An earliest known NSE variant, called NDE (Nash-Ding efficiency, 1974), was recently recovered by Duc and Sawada (2023, Eq. 3 and Figure 2). NDE as well as NSE are variance, not correlation-based metrics. Figure 2 therein shows that the NDE, which happened to have been called R squared, establishes, statistically, an upper limit of the NSE.
Reference
Duc, L. and Sawada, Y.: A signal-processing-based interpretation of the Nash–Sutcliffe efficiency, Hydrol. Earth Syst. Sci., 27, 1827–1839, https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-27-1827-2023, 2023.
Kratzert, F., Gauch, M., Klotz, D., and Nearing, G.: HESS Opinions: Never train an LSTM on a single basin, Hydrol. Earth Syst. Sci. Discuss. [preprint], https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-2023-275, in review, 2024.