First of all, I would like to apologise for the delay of this re-review and like to thank the authors for the revised version. Unfortunately, the authors’ response does not contain a detailed response on how the manuscript was revised, the response is mostly written in future tense, and I had to check myself what changes have been made to the manuscript.
Overall, the new version has improved, the scope and details have become clearer and section 3.7 is very valuable to understand differences between modelling frameworks. From reading the track changed version, I understand that my comments have been addressed even if this was not clear from the responses. Despite the above (and I acknowledge that you made clear that the process-based model is not the truth), I come back to my critic that we do not know enough about the process-based model:
First of all, some of my comments were answered by saying that “this is how it is done in large sample hydrology”. I understand that large sample hydrology tends to (uncritically) re-use existing simulation results but I do think that this is only justified if the original simulations are well documented (which seems not to be the case here).
If a new modelling study uses an existing one as reference data set, this reference data set should be critically assessed by someone. This step seems to have been omitted so far. I went to the cited papers and noticed that none of them critically discusses the simulation quality of the most recent PREVAH generated data set:
- Viviroli et al., 2009b presents the model and briefly some past applications
- Viviroli et al. 2009a presents a regionalisation approach for flood estimation, with a regionalization technique that focuses on standard conditions and on flood conditions. The results are presented for flood-focused calibration (“It is important to note that all regionalisations were computed on the basis of the flood-calibrated parameter sets ») for 49 representative test catchments; in other words, it does not present the regionalization for regime studies or water balance studies. The model is at resolution 500 m x 500 m.
- Brunner et al., 2019b (in the response it is stated: “the PREVAH simulations used here originate from the Hydro-CH2018 dataset (Brunner et al., 2019b), where the modelling setup is described in detail »): the paper focuses on extreme flow regimes; Brunner et al do not discuss how well the model performs. Instead, it refers to another paper for calibration: “For the calibration of the model parameters, meteorological and discharge time series from 140 mesoscale catchments covering different runoff regimes were used.(..) More details on the calibration and validation procedures can be found in Köplin et al. (2010).»
- Köplin et al. (2010) is a climate change study (the work of Viviroli et al. 2009 is not); it refers back to Viviroli, 2009a,b,c for model calibration and states that it also uses the parameter set for standard conditions. (“The tuneable parameters are calibrated for standard and flood conditions, (..). According to the objectives of our study, both parameter sets (standard and flood calibration) are used for further investigations. ».
- The work of Köplin also used a 500 m x 500 m resolution. They probably used very different input data than is available to date (in particular climate data but probably also meteo station or gridded data). Accordingly, the performance of their model driven with new data (as done in Brunner et al., 2019b) would need to be checked. As far as I see, we have no details on the Brunner et al., 2019b data set and I am not sure that we have access to it (did not check). I guess we would need a data availability statement for this.
- In fact, the work of Brunner et al., 2019b uses a 200 m gridded version (“A gridded version of the model at a spatial resolution of 200 m was set up for Switzerland (Speich et al., 2015)”; Question: did you use a 500 m x 500m version as stated in the paper or a 200 m x 200 m set up?
- Going to the Speich et al. 2015 paper reveals yet another reference: “The gridded values were calculated using the rainfall-runoff model PREVAH (Viviroli et al., 2009) in its spatially explicit version, as applied by Schattan et al. (2013)”
- going to Schattan et al. 2013 refers to Zappa et al., 2012, a German paper for which it is unclear if it presents model calibration and performance; but Schattan says that they used the Köplin parameters (“Calibration parameters for the investigated regions were obtained from a regionalized set of parameters (Köplin et al., 2010). »);
- To this point, it is not clear what calibrated version Brunner et al., 2019b used. What I guess is that they used the parameters of Köplin that were regionalized for a 500 m x 500 m grid but applied to a 200 m x 200 m grid.
- The later work of Brunner et al. 2019b explicitly did not do any evaluation of the simulations obtained from this “old” calibrated model, driven with new data (any calibrated model has to be recalibrated for new data). The paper simply states: «The hydrological model has been calibrated using observed meteorological data, but will subsequently be fed with meteorological data simulated by a set of GCM–RCM combinations. It is assumed that the parameter set derived in the calibration procedure will still produce reliable results (..)”.
In conclusion: Brunner et al., 2019 used parameters calibrated for a model set up for a different resolution and with different input data. One has to dig into many papers to understand where the set-up actually comes from (Zappa et al. 2012?); I do not think that this is a good reference data set to compare a new model against. At the very least, this should be critically discussed and the reader should be enabled to understand where the set-up comes from and where to download the data.
In general, and as discussed earlier: if we compare models, we need to be able to understand where differences potentially come from. At the very least, we need relevant references to understand the process-based model.
What is important to note here is that the above work should have been done by earlier authors. It is unfortunate that this strong critic “falls back” on the current first author but it is perhaps time to interrupt the chain of papers that re-use older simulations without giving some more details on them.
Furthermore:
Comment 37 (your numbering) : as far as I see, the MS does not show simulated streamflow time series anywhere; we cannot appreciate if the LSTM produces times series that ressemble streamflow in the corresponding hydroclimates; even if other, similar papers do not present streamflow time series: it is an important question to ask: do we want data-driven models to produce time series are only statistics? No need to add a figure at this stage but perhaps simply say that you checked the time series and that they look like streamflow?
References :
- Köplin, N., Viviroli, D., Schädler, B., and Weingartner, R.: How does climate change affect mesoscale catchments in Switzerland? – A framework for a comprehensive assessment, Adv. Geosci., 27, 111–119, https://doi.org/10.5194/adgeo-27-111-2010, 2010.
- Schattan, P., Zappa, M., Lischke, H., Bernhard, L., Thürig, E., and Diekkrüger, B., 2013. An approach for transient consideration of forest change in hydrological impact studies. In: Climate and Land Surface Changes in Hydrology, Proceedings of H01, IAHS-IAPSO-IASPEI Assembly, Gothenburg, Sweden, July (IAHS Publ. 359). pp. 311–319.
- Speich, M. J., Bernhard, L., Teuling, A. J., and Zappa, M.: Application of bivariate mapping for hydrological classification and analysis of temporal change and scale effects in Switzerland, J. Hydrol., 523, 804–821, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhydrol.2015.01.086, 2015.
- Zappa, M., Bernhard, L., Fundel, F. & Jörg-Hess, S. (2012) Vorhersage und Szenarien von Schnee- und Wasserressourcen im Alpenraum. In: WSL (ed.): Alpine Schnee- und Wasserresourcen gestern, heute, morgen. Forum für Wissen 2012, 19–27. |
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