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Unraveling the contribution of potential evaporation formulation to uncertainty under climate change
Thibault Lemaitre-Basset
Ludovic Oudin
Guillaume Thirel
Lila Collet
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RC1: 'Comment on hess-2021-361', Anonymous Referee #1, 27 Aug 2021
The authors present an analysis of the uncertainty due to potential evaporation (PE) formulation within the GCM/RCM climate change projection chain for climate change impact assessment. Understanding how much the uncertainty in PE formulation contributes to overall climate change impact uncertainty is an important area of research. The authors find that the overall uncertainty contribution of PE formulation is low relative to the other components namely emissions scenario (RCP), RCMs and GCMs. However, some of the methodological decisions cloud the strength of this conclusion. For example, the mixture of evaporation metrics to include potential evaporation, reference crop and open water evaporation increase the variance in PE variables. Combining multiple RCPs within the analysis, rather than treating each RCP separately increased the variance due to RCPs. Also, it is unclear whether the GCM/RCMs have been bias corrected, which could also potentially increase the variance between GCM/RCM projections. All these issues may be inflating variance contributions and making it harder to see the true contribution of the PE formulation to the uncertainty. Also, the methodology behind the signal-to-noise analysis requires much more detail as it is very unclear what is being shown here. In its current form, the manuscript needs to be revised to clarify some issues identified below and to draw out more fully the implications of the interesting work presented in this manuscript. This would also help when comparing the results from this study with other studies in this area.
Specific comments
Line 29: change “climate variables relatively to air temperature” to “climate variables relative to air temperature”.
Line 32: The text “many impact models accommodate from PE amounts” is not clear – do you mean calibrated impact models can accommodate errors in PE estimates?
Line 34: remove the “s” from “formulations”.
Line 37: change “Since PE formulations is not the unique source” to “Since PE formulations are not the only source”.
Line 49: change “showed how dependent from the choice of PE formulations future streamflow anomalies can be” to “showed how future streamflow anomalies can be dependent on the choice of PE formulation”.
Line 66: change “simulated by an hydrological model” to “simulated by a hydrological model”.
Line 78: change “for the uncertainty on the unknown future greenhouse gas emissions trajectories and climate” to “for the uncertainty in future greenhouse gas emission trajectories and climate”
Line 80: delete “were collected”
Table 2: It is great that the code provides the details of how each PE formulation is calculated. However, it would be good to add a little more detail to Table 2 as some of these methods don’t have a unique formulation. For example, which Morton estimate of ET is being used? Is the Penman-Monteith reference crop (FAO56) or a different version of Penman-Monteith? Which version of Penman is being used? The formula for each method would make this clearer and or an indication of whether the formulation is open water, potential evaporation or reference crop. Also, Hamon should include sunshine hours as a variable.
Section 2.2: The seven formulations in Table 2 include estimates of potential evaporation (unlimited water availability) over land or water, reference crop (well-watered short grass) and open water evaporation. Therefore, these formulations are not expected to produce results of a similar magnitude – it would be good to indicate which formulations estimate the different types of evaporation and which produce higher to lower values (I would expect open water evaporation > potential evaporation > reference crop). While I agree that all of these seven formulations can be used to represent future atmospheric demand for climate change impact assessments, it is important to be clear about what they actually estimate and how these differences may influence the later uncertainty estimates.
Figure 2a: Much of the difference in PE between the seven formulations is likely due to them representing different evaporation variables. As mentioned previously re the seven formulations in Table 2 they include potential evaporation (unlimited water availability) from a surface, reference crop (well-watered short grass) and open water evaporation. Furthermore, most of them are estimates of evaporation from a point, whereas Morton is likely to be an estimate for a large area, which we would expect to be lower than a point estimate. If these seven formulations are kept in the analysis, then it is important to be clear that the variability is not just different formulations of a single type of evaporation metric (potential evaporation), but variability between different evaporation concepts.
Figure 5 bottom row – signal-to-noise ratio: The method used in this manuscript to calculate the signal-to-noise ratio is not clear, despite the reference to Hawkins & Sutton (2012). Table 1 does not list any pre-industrial control simulations, so it is unclear what has been used in this analysis to define the natural climatic variability against which the RCP scenarios would be compared to see if the signal-to-noise ratio is > 1. Also, it is not clear which RCP scenario is being shown in Figure 5 (bottom row) or whether the signal-to-ratio is average across the three RCP scenarios considered. The different RCPs will have different signal-to-ratios as they have very different signals, yet only one map is shown for all RCPs. It would not make sense to combine different RCPs into a single signal-to-ratio metric as they have very different signals – they should be considered one RCP at a time. More details about how the signal-to-ratio is calculated is required to understand what is being shown here and why the results are the way they are. I see that later at line 211 it appears that the different RCPs have been combined in the signal-to-ratio metric, which is not informative.
Figure 6: the x-axis is missing from the plot.
Section 4.2: The authors note that the uncertainty due the PE formulation in this study is lower than in other studies (Line 237). They suggest this may be due to other studies only considering a single RCP, which is a reasonable suggestion. I recommend only considering a single RCP at a time, rather than combining the RCPs into the one analysis as combining the RCPs will likely inflate the uncertainty in the GCM/RCM/RCP components of the analysis. However, another suggestion may be that the other studies may have bias corrected the GCM/RCM output prior to assessing the uncertainty contributions. Bias correcting the GCM/RCM projections would remove any bias between GCM/RCMs and place each GCM/RCM on a common baseline from which the difference in GCM/RCM/RCP signal would emerge. Whereas, in this study it is not clear that any bias correction of the GCM/RCM projections has occurred, so there will be increased variability in the GCM/RCM projections due this uncorrected bias.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-2021-361-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Thibault Lemaitre-Basset, 03 Dec 2021
Responses to comments of Referee 1:
We would like to thank the referee for the useful comments and his/her interest for our study. We will include all the specific comments mentioned by the referee, clarify the vocabulary, and correct figures directly in the manuscript.
Comments 1:
Table.2: It is great that the code provides the details of how each PE formulation is calculated. However, it would be good to add a little more detail to Table 2 as some of these methods do not have a unique formulation. For example, which Morton estimate of ET is being used? Is the Penman-Monteith reference crop (FAO56) or a different version of Penman-Monteith? Which version of Penman is being used? The formula for each method would make this clearer and or an indication of whether the formulation is open water, potential evaporation or reference crop. In addition, Hamon should include sunshine hours as a variable
Section 2.2: The seven formulations in Table 2 include estimates of potential evaporation (unlimited water availability) over land or water, reference crop (well-watered short grass) and open water evaporation. Therefore, these formulations are not expected to produce results of a similar magnitude – it would be good to indicate which formulations estimate the different types of evaporation and which produce higher to lower values (I would expect open water evaporation > potential evaporation > reference crop). While I agree that all of these seven formulations can be used to represent future atmospheric demand for climate change impact assessments, it is important to be clear about what they actually estimate and how these differences may influence the later uncertainty estimates.
Figure.2a: Much of the difference in PE between the seven formulations is likely due to them representing different evaporation variables. As mentioned previously re the seven formulations in Table 2 they include potential evaporation (unlimited water availability) from a surface, reference crop (well-watered short grass) and open water evaporation. Furthermore, most of them are estimates of evaporation from a point, whereas Morton is likely to be an estimate for a large area, which we would expect to be lower than a point estimate. If these seven formulations are kept in the analysis, then it is important to be clear that the variability is not just different formulations of a single type of evaporation metric (potential evaporation), but variability between different evaporation concepts.
Answer to Comments 1:
The referee would like more details on the potential evaporation formulations we used. We agree that not all the formulations used were developed for the same purpose; however, we would like to emphasize that they are regularly used in a similar way in hydrological modelling. Therefore, we will add some clarifications regarding the type of formulation and the related environment.
Regarding the Hamon formulation, we chose the equation with theoretical sunshine hours, since observed sunshine hours are not directly produced by climate models. Furthermore, other Hamon formulations using theoretical or observed sunshine durations exist. However, again, the sunshine duration variable is not available in climatic projections and we cannot use such formulation straightforwardly. Thus, it would have been necessary to use an empirical relationship to calculate the daily observed sunshine hours from solar radiation data. Oudin et al. (2005) and Almorox et al. (2015) have already used Hamon equation with theoretical sunshine hours and the later reference will be added in Table 2.
Comments 2:
Figure.5 bottom row – signal-to-noise ratio: The method used in this manuscript to calculate the signal-to-noise ratio is not clear, despite the reference to Hawkins & Sutton (2012). Table 1 does not list any pre-industrial control simulations, so it is unclear what has been used in this analysis to define the natural climatic variability against which the RCP scenarios would be compared to see if the signal-to-noise ratio is > 1. In addition, it is not clear which RCP scenario is being shown in Figure 5 (bottom row) or whether the signal-to-ratio is average across the three RCP scenarios considered. The different RCPs will have different signal-to-ratios as they have very different signals, yet only one map is shown for all RCPs. It would not make sense to combine different RCPs into a single signal-to-ratio metric as they have very different signals – they should be considered one RCP at a time. More details about how the signal-to-ratio is calculated is required to understand what is being shown here and why the results are the way they are. I see that later at line 211 it appears that the different RCPs have been combined in the signal-to-ratio metric, which is not informative
Section 4.2: The authors note that the uncertainty due the PE formulation in this study is lower than in other studies (Line 237). They suggest this may be due to other studies only considering a single RCP, which is a reasonable suggestion. I recommend only considering a single RCP at a time, rather than combining the RCPs into the one analysis as combining the RCPs will likely inflate the uncertainty in the GCM/RCM/RCP components of the analysis. However, another suggestion may be that the other studies may have bias corrected the GCM/RCM output prior to assessing the uncertainty contributions. Bias correcting the GCM/RCM projections would remove any bias between GCM/RCMs and place each GCM/RCM on a common baseline from which the difference in GCM/RCM/RCP signal would emerge. Whereas, in this study it is not clear that any bias correction of the GCM/RCM projections has occurred, so there will be increased variability in the GCM/RCM projections due this uncorrected bias.
Answer to Comments 2:
One of the most important comments refers to the experimental approach used to conduct the uncertainty analysis. The referee suggests analysing the uncertainty on potential evaporation considering a single RCP at a time, rather than combining the three RCPs. We have considered all three RCPs all together for the QUALYPSO analysis in the study, as we consider them as the primary source of uncertainty when considering the impact of climate change, following (Evin et al., 2019), among others. However, we agree that considering only one scenario could be interesting to compare our results with other studies only considering a single RCP. Separating RCPs would certainly result in different time of emergence and signal-to-noise ratio outputs.
Performing such a test could be useful especially for the long-term projections, where the weight of the RCP factor is higher than at the short term. To conduct these experiments, it would be necessary to select GCM/RCM couples available for each scenario our data of climate projections to have same GCM/RCM couples for each RCP considering in the uncertainty analysis with QUALYPSO. However, only six GCM/RCM couples are common to the three scenarios, so it will drastically reduce the number of GCMs and RCMs accounted for in the uncertainty estimation.
To follow the reviewer’s recommendations, we will analyse the new partition of the total variance for each factor (GCM/RCM/PE formulations) through conducting one uncertainty analysis on a single RCP, namely RCP 8.5. Using only this RCP to compute the uncertainty will provide new insights on the signal/noise ratio and its interpretation. RCP 8.5 has the strongest change signal of the three RCPs, and all the GCM/RCM couples used are available for this scenario. This will help us to clarify the contribution of PE formulation to the total uncertainty.
We will add more details on the method used to calculate the uncertainty and the signal-to-noise ratio to improve justifications and the understanding of the method (also suggested by the second referee). The reference period defined in the article, namely 1976-2005, is used in the signal/noise analysis as the reference; we do not consider a pre-industrial period. Finally, we will make clearer that our data are not bias corrected, and the consequences on our conclusions will be discussed to improve the comprehensiveness of the results and the discussion part. Sources of uncertainty also exist in bias correction methods for the climate variables, and the interdependence of the climate variables must be preserved to calculate potential evaporation, which is not always warranted by statistical bias correction methods. The bias correction methods could be an interesting source of uncertainty to explore in further studies, but this point is beyond the scope of this study.
References
Almorox, J., Quej, V.H., Martí, P., 2015. Global performance ranking of temperature-based approaches for evapotranspiration estimation considering Köppen climate classes. J. Hydrol. 528, 514–522. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhydrol.2015.06.057
Evin, G., Hingray, B., Blanchet, J., Eckert, N., Morin, S., Verfaillie, D., 2019. Partitioning Uncertainty Components of an Incomplete Ensemble of Climate Projections Using Data Augmentation. J. Clim. 32, 18.
Oudin, L., Hervieu, F., Michel, C., Perrin, C., Andréassian, V., Anctil, F., Loumagne, C., 2005. Which potential evapotranspiration input for a lumped rainfall–runoff model? J. Hydrol. 303, 290–306. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhydrol.2004.08.026
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-2021-361-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Thibault Lemaitre-Basset, 03 Dec 2021
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RC2: 'Comment on hess-2021-361', Anonymous Referee #2, 04 Nov 2021
This study systematically investigates how future climate uncertainty, coming from RCP scenarios, GCMs and RCMs, transfers to uncertainty in potential evaporation (PE) modelling under inclusion of the uncertainty coming from different PE formulations. Uncertainty contribution is computed by using ANOVA on an ample dataset containing timeseries of climate variables obtained from the different RCPs, GCMs and RCMs, and the obtained PE resulting by feeding different PE formulations with the (future) timeseries of climate variables. The authors conclude that the choice of PE formulation does "only" make up about 10% of total uncertainty by the end of the century. It is mainly the consequence of the relatively low variability coming from PE formulations compared to the variabilty coming from the projected climate variables.
The study is timely since it addresses an important question concerning hydrological modelling under climate change: "How will future climate impact PE?" Overall it is a well framed and written manuscript.
However, considering PE in a purely "theoretical" framework, without a bridge to the "real-world" (actual ET), limits the applicability of the results. The authors should be more careful not to confuse readers throughout the text and explicitely discuss this aspect in the discussion.There are some inacurracies or statements that lack explanations on top of some inadequacy in the manuscript structure, however overall I'd consider them to be rather minor. My specific comments are:
* Inacuracies, need revision:
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This is debatable, but to me "climate change" is more of a "consequence" than a "cause".
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This part I would avoid in the introduction, since it leads the reader to think that the study will cover actual evaporation, which is not the case. But it could be material to place in the discussion, where potential consquences of this study on AET could be discussed.
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I don't get this sentence. What do you mean by "through calibration"? What do you mean by model sensitivity here? Sensitivity of model output or of PE? And sensitivity towards what?
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You cannot say "a more comprehensive way" because you are not aiming at the same things. Above you write about validity of assumptions, whereas here you write about uncertainty of modelling results.
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Why do you say that all PE formulations are questionable over mountainous areas?
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Revise this sentence. I don't like it. Write something that you partitioned the total uncertainty on projected PE among ...
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For all RCP and GCMs/RCMs combinations (3*6*9) you get only 1 realization of the climate variables? This is a limitation of the study since you will not be able to reproduce uncertainty coming from internal climate variability (stochasticity). Indeed later in the text you write that you took a running mean on climate variables in order to reduce fluctuations. Not including internal climate variability and the running mean choice, both need better explanation/rational behind it.
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See my comment above.
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Overall I find the methods section a bit difficult to follow. I think it would highly benefit from some schematics where the procedure is drawn out. Also, later in the text you would refer multiple times to "modelling steps/chain", and those steps were never explicitely defined in the text.
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What exactly do you mean by "trend slopes"? I think you should be more specific.
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"covariance" instead of "interdependence"
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"uncertainty contributors" instead of "factors"
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this modelling chain needs to be defined, see comment above
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Instead of "absolute anomalies" I would use "expected increase"
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But why does it increase for RCPs? This could be the consequence of the total uncertainty being lower for locations in the south and RCPs uncertainty being equal throughout france, leading to higher relative contribution of uncertainty of RCPs.
** figure 4
A further panel with total uncertainty would be good.
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This belongs to the results
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This should be placed in the methods section
** figure 5
Since 1 is the threshold here modify the lower row in order that it has 2 different colormaps, e.g. reddish for values above 1 and greyish for values below 1.
Insert the equation of the signal-to-noise ratio in the figure caption.
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This belongs to the results
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I would not use the word "globally" here
** figure 6
What are the distributions exactly? To my understanding looking at one boxplot in one panel gives information on the variability in delta PE given that one modeling step is chosen and "fixed"(specified by the color) and all the other modeling steps (all but the colored specified one) vary across their PE output range. Is this correct?This figure needs time ticks to show the 3 periods distinction. Then you get it at first glance.
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I don't think this is true.
To me, this is more the consequence of the higher variability (and therefore uncertainty), which is introduced when more RCP scenarios are considered. The relative contribution of PE formulations to total uncertainty is thereby reduced, but PE formulation would not vary more among one RCP.
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Which usage?
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This is only valid for the give dataset. It would be interesting to see whether the same conclusion can be drawn if the dataset would contain also stochasticity of climate variables (multiple realizations of climate variables for the same RCP-GCM-RGM modelling chain)
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Personally, I would have appreciated some qualitative statements on how future PET uncertainty might transfer to AET uncertainty, since finally AET is the variable we care about, PET being only a "modelling"-byproduct.
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Since AET is never mentioned in results or discussion I don't think mentioning it in conclusions is justified. I would delete the whole sentence.* Recomendations related to style
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Delete "Finally"
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I would replace "modifications" with "changes"
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empirical temperature methods
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delete "some", replace "relatively to" with "other than"
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delete "and possible feedbacks"
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.. but assuming that models may represent past and future climates equally well is difficult to verify
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how future streamflow anomalies can be dependent on the choice of PE formulation
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uncertainty of
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results appear to be..
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since outputs become inputs for PE I suggest chosing another word
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Be more specific here and mention the variables Rn and Ta.
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equilibrium temperature, which better represents the..
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what raditations? Solar radiation?
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since feedbacks between climate variables exist
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respective variance contributions
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on the selected forcing variables
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probably being
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This suggests
"covariance" instead of interdependence.
I would stick to the term "covariance" throughout the text when you write relationships between climate variables.
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I would not use the word significant since it induces the reader to think about statistical significance, but here you mean only higher vs lower, correct?
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future trends
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Thibault Lemaitre-Basset, 03 Dec 2021
Responses to comments of Referee 2:
We would like to thank the referee for the useful comments and his/her interest for our study. We will include all the specific comments mentioned by the referee, clarify the vocabulary, and correct figures directly in the manuscript.
My specific comments are:
* Inacuracies, need revision:
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This is debatable, but to me "climate change" is more of a "consequence" than a "cause".Thank you for this comment, we will modify to “climate change results in”.
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This part I would avoid in the introduction, since it leads the reader to think that the study will cover actual evaporation, which is not the case. But it could be material to place in the discussion, where potential consequences of this study on AET could be discussed.We agree with the referee, moving the consequences of PE on AET from the introduction to the discussion part will enhance clarity to the manuscript.
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I don't get this sentence. What do you mean by "through calibration"? What do you mean by model sensitivity here? Sensitivity of model output or of PE? And sensitivity towards what?Here we refer to the fact that PE generally feeds an impact model (for instance hydrological models), and the calibration step of the impact model compensates to a certain extent potential bias from PE. We will rephrase as reviewer 1 also asked clarifications on this point.
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You cannot say "a more comprehensive way" because you are not aiming at the same things. Above you write about validity of assumptions, whereas here you write about uncertainty of modelling results.We propose the following reformulation: “Here, we propose to assess the contribution of PE formulations to the overall uncertainty of projections by testing several formulations under several climate projections.”
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Why do you say that all PE formulations are questionable over mountainous areas?Because physical processes involved for these areas are different from the rest of the study area. Indeed, part of the snow cover disappears by sublimation without melting. The tested PE formulations do not represent this process. We agree on the misunderstanding, so we propose to detail the difficulties of PE estimation under cold and mountainous regions in the revised version of the manuscript.
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Revise this sentence. I don't like it. Write something that you partitioned the total uncertainty on projected PE among...We propose a new sentence: “Second, the total uncertainty on projected PE will be partitioned and quantified among all uncertainty sources (RCPs, GCMs, RCMs, and PE formulations)”
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For all RCP and GCMs/RCMs combinations (3*6*9) you get only 1 realization of the climate variables? This is a limitation of the study since you will not be able to reproduce uncertainty coming from internal climate variability (stochasticity). Indeed later in the text you write that you took a running mean on climate variables in order to reduce fluctuations. Not including internal climate variability and the running mean choice, both need better explanation/rational behind it.We fully agree that using only a single realization for each combination is a limitation for the total uncertainty quantification, and hinders the quantification of an additional uncertainty source (namely internal climate variability). The main problem here is the access to several realizations of climate projections for the different GCMs / RCMs used in the study. However, as we focused on anomalies over long time slices, we assume that the natural climate variability may have a limited impact. We will add a sentence in the manuscript to improve explanations.
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See my comment above.
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Overall I find the methods section a bit difficult to follow. I think it would highly benefit from some schematics where the procedure is drawn out. Also, later in the text you would refer multiple times to "modelling steps/chain", and those steps were never explicitly defined in the text.We agree that it could be difficult to understand the modeling chain used for the climate impact study, especially if the reader is not familiar with this type of study. We propose the following diagram to improve the understanding of the method. We will refer to this scheme in the new version of the manuscript.
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What exactly do you mean by "trend slopes"? I think you should be more specific.In this case we mean “growth rate”, we will change this in the manuscript.
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"covariance" instead of "interdependence"Thank you for this recommendation, we will modify the manuscript accordingly.
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"uncertainty contributors" instead of "factors"Thank you for this recommendation, we will modify the manuscript accordingly.
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this modelling chain needs to be defined, see comment aboveIn order to clarify the manuscript, we propose to define the modelling chain at the beginning of the method section (line 82). We will add the following sentence, which completes the information given by the new scheme added in the same sub-section. “The modelling chain is a pathway from different RCPs to an impact model (here PE formulations), with a succession of models, whose simulations outputs feed the next model. The figure 1 represents the modelling chain used for this study with each modelling step, namely RCPs, GCMs, RCMs and PE formulations.”
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Instead of "absolute anomalies" I would use "expected increase"Thank you for this recommendation, we will modify the manuscript accordingly.
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But why does it increase for RCPs? This could be the consequence of the total uncertainty being lower for locations in the south and RCPs uncertainty being equal throughout France, leading to higher relative contribution of uncertainty of RCPs.We agree with the referee. This comment will be clarified by adding a panel on figure 4 with the total uncertainty, as suggested by the referee below. Besides, we will analyze the uncertainty contribution for one RCP (namely RCP 8.5) in order to address this issue that was also highlighted by referee # 1.
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A further panel with total uncertainty would be good.We agree (see previous comment).
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This belongs to the results
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This should be placed in the methods sectionWe agree with this comment and we will move these explanations in the method section (2.3), and provide more details.
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Since 1 is the threshold here modify the lower row in order that it has 2 different colormaps, e.g. reddish for values above 1 and greyish for values below 1.Thank you for this recommendation, we will modify the Figure accordingly.
Insert the equation of the signal-to-noise ratio in the figure caption.
Agreed, we will modify the figure caption.
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This belongs to the resultsWe agree, this sub-section will be moved to the Results section, to remain consistent with the previous change.
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I would not use the word "globally" hereWe agree, we will remove the term “globally”. The sentence will become “Moreover, the uncertainty spread also increases with time, which adds up to the total uncertainty, despite the fact that the relative contribution of this factor to the total uncertainty decreases with time”
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What are the distributions exactly? To my understanding looking at one boxplot in one panel gives information on the variability in delta PE given that one modeling step is chosen and "fixed"(specified by the color) and all the other modeling steps (all but the colored specified one) vary across their PE output range. Is this correct?Yes, the referee’s interpretation is correct. We will add details in the Figure caption to avoid misunderstandings.
This figure needs time ticks to show the 3 periods distinction. Then you get it at first glance.
Thanks for this comment; we will add markers for the 3 periods to improve the readability of the figure for the reader.
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I don't think this is true.
To me, this is more the consequence of the higher variability (and therefore uncertainty), which is introduced when more RCP scenarios are considered. The relative contribution of PE formulations to total uncertainty is thereby reduced, but PE formulation would not vary more among one RCP.
The referee's interpretation, as well as the one from referee #1, is completely plausible. Therefore, we will present the results for a single RCP to quantify the impact of multi-RCPs analysis on our results (see answer to referee #1). We wanted to explain that by focusing on a single emission scenario, the relative contribution of the PE formulas to the overall uncertainty is mathematically larger. However, indeed in terms of absolute uncertainty it is the same. We propose deleting the following sentence from the manuscript: “…due to the higher future air temperature”.** line 254
Which usage?We agree that the term “usage” can be confusing. We propose the following reformulation by changing “usage” with “practice”.
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This is only valid for the give dataset. It would be interesting to see whether the same conclusion can be drawn if the dataset would contain also stochasticity of climate variables (multiple realizations of climate variables for the same RCP-GCM-RGM modelling chain)We agree with the referee’s comment; however, we did not have access to multiple runs for each RCP-GCM-RCM. This lack is common to many climate impact studies. It could be an improvement for future works about the uncertainty quantification in climate impact studies but this is beyond the scope of this study.
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Personally, I would have appreciated some qualitative statements on how future PET uncertainty might transfer to AET uncertainty, since finally AET is the variable we care about, PET being only a "modelling"-byproduct.We agree with this suggestion, and we propose to add a discussion section dedicated to this issue. The discussion section will address two related issues:
- The spatial heterogeneity of the consequences of PE uncertainty on AE that may be limited over “water limited” regions, such as Mediterranean regions but more important over “energy limited” regions, at higher latitudes.
- The sensitivity of the impact model to PE inputs variability, which was already addressed in the introduction but following the referee suggestion, this will be moved (and detailed/clarified) in the discussion section.
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Since AET is never mentioned in results or discussion I don't think mentioning it in conclusions is justified. I would delete the whole sentence.As suggested previously by the referee, we will address this issue in a new discussion section.
* Recomendations related to style
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Delete "Finally"Thank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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I would replace "modifications" with "changes"Thank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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empirical temperature methodsThank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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delete "some", replace "relatively to" with "other than"Thank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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delete "and possible feedbacks"Thank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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.. but assuming that models may represent past and future climates equally well is difficult to verifyThank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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how future streamflow anomalies can be dependent on the choice of PE formulationWe mentioned the fact that for an energy-limited environment, the increase in PE leads to a decrease in runoff, if the changes in precipitation do not offset the increase in PE. But, if the increase is small, the changes in precipitation can offset the increase in PE, and lead to an increase in runoff.
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uncertainty ofThank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.
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results appear to be..
Thank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.** line 71
since outputs become inputs for PE I suggest choosing another word
Thank you for this suggestion, we will modify the manuscript.** line 95
Be more specific here and mention the variables Rn and Ta.Thank you for this recommendation, we will mention Rn and Ta variables.
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equilibrium temperature, which better represents the..Thank you for this recommendation, we will change the sentence.
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what radiations? Solar radiation?Yes, “radiation” will be replaced by “solar radiation”.
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since feedbacks between climate variables existThank you for this recommendation.
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respective variance contributionsThank you for this recommendation.
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on the selected forcing variablesThank you for this recommendation.
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probably beingThank you for this recommendation.
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this suggests "covariance" instead of interdependence.I would stick to the term "covariance" throughout the text when you write relationships between climate variables.
Thank you for this suggestion, we will change “independence” for “covariance”.
I would stick to the term "covariance" throughout the text when you write relationships between climate variables.
We agree with the referee.
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I would not use the word significant since it induces the reader to think about statistical significance, but here you mean only higher vs lower, correct?Yes. We will changed the expression “more significant” for “higher”.
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future trendsThank you for this recommendation.
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are near the averageThank you for this recommendation.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-2021-361-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Thibault Lemaitre-Basset, 03 Dec 2021