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https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-29-1703-2025
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Catchments do not strictly follow Budyko curves over multiple decades, but deviations are minor and predictable
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I commend the authors for their manuscript "Catchments do not strictly follow Budyko curves over multiple decades, but deviations are minor and predictable". The hypothesis that the manuscript aims to test is that changes in trajectories in Budyko space are unpredictable, which is in itself a fundamental question in studies dealing with the Budyko framework. The probabilistic approach used to test the hypothesis is elegant, brings some clarity, and puts in context the different recent results of other studies. I enjoyed reading the manuscript, from the introduction to the conclusions. Their finding is also comforting for the field. I also appreciate the reflections on the latest research on the matter.
I have some suggestions for improvement below, but, in general, I have a rather positive perspective of the manuscript in terms of the scientific method, knowledge gap identification, novelty, approach, and implications. My only disappointment is the lack of exploration of the reason behind the shifting, variable, or alternating nature of some catchments, although the authors explicitly state that this is not the study's objective. Although not the sole aim of the manuscript, it would be indeed interesting to get some potential explanations for the different groups of Table 2. Under what conditions or drivers can catchments shift, variate or alternate?
I recommend otehr adjustments as follows:
Title: The title says that most catchments deviate, but the conclusion states "62% do not significantly deviate", which is contradicting.
l. 69 Climate is not the only driver; do not forget changes in water and land use, which have been broadly found to drive the trajectory of movement in Budyko space.
Fig. 2- The use of symbols in variables became too confusing at some point. The subindices in the variables are long and have a long set of characters, as shown in Figure 2. Maybe this can be simplified in some way. In the same way, the critical variable εIEω is not explicitly shown in Fig. 2. There are also some inconsistencies, e.g., εIEΔj. Why "j"? I would avoid the i+1 subindex in the figure so that it agrees with the variables called in the text.
Fig. 5. εIEΔ does not agree with its expression in Fig. 2. This also brings confusion. Please double-check these issues across the manuscript.
L. 186 Why are the time periods consecutive? I see no problem in comparing the changes from, for example, T1 to T4. These new permutations would give even more robustness to the statements of deviation or not deviation.
L. 200 ω is both the Budyko and PDF scaling parameters, which is also confusing.
Fig. 3 Mention the example of the basin you are showing here.
Fig. 6. Can you classify the catchments with the classification of Table 2? This helps understand which ones correspond to which. Also, why did you choose these catchments? I would also put the name of the catchment in the plots.
L. 395 The answer to your finding about the Sava River may be found in Levy et al. (2015); hydropower development.
Fig. 8 Any use for the palette change in Fig. 8a?
Discussion: I would like to know the thoughts from the authors on the future use of the framework for identifying human modifications to the water cycle, as it has largely been used to date. Maybe some recommendations on the way forward for this goal could be included in the discussion. For instance, the fact that most basins do not deviate does not necessarily mean that the Budyko framework (and the authors' approach) cannot be used to continue identifying human drivers of change. In fact, such identification relies on the deviations to recognize drivers of change. A way forward can be the categorization of the authors into stable, variable, alternating, and shifting categories and to focus analysis on some of these groups.
Could the authors provide a list in Supplementary on the catchemnts that fall in each of the categories (if this is not already mentioned).
References
Levi, L., Jaramillo, F., Andričević, R., & Destouni, G. (2015). Hydroclimatic changes and drivers in the Sava River Catchment and comparison with Swedish catchments. Ambio, 44(7), 624–634. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13280-015-0641-0