Articles | Volume 28, issue 17
https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-28-4219-2024
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Large-sample hydrology – a few camels or a whole caravan?
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- Final revised paper (published on 12 Sep 2024)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-864', Thorsten Wagener, 27 Apr 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Franziska Clerc-Schwarzenbach, 06 Jun 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-864', François Brissette, 24 May 2024
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Franziska Clerc-Schwarzenbach, 06 Jun 2024
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ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (further review by editor) (11 Jun 2024) by Thom Bogaard
AR by Franziska Clerc-Schwarzenbach on behalf of the Authors (01 Jul 2024)
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ED: Publish as is (12 Jul 2024) by Thom Bogaard
AR by Franziska Clerc-Schwarzenbach on behalf of the Authors (19 Jul 2024)
Comparative hydrology with large samples of catchment scale data is a rapidly growing topic in hydrology. Samples are growing to sizes of many thousands of catchments around the world. This offers tremendous opportunities for new learning, but it also creates potential problems. One problem is that errors or inconsistencies in the data get propagated into subsequent studies because there is an assumption that available datasets are ready for use.
Clerc-Schwarzenbach and co-authors address this issue with the example of the popular Caravan dataset in which multiple datasets have been combined. To harmonize the data, some meteorological variables of the original national datasets have been replaced by global products. However, Clerc-Schwarzenbach and co-authors found that this can cause significant problems given some large differences between national and global estimates. This is a very relevant and timely study. It is nice work with a well written manuscript. My comments are mainly suggestions for further improvement.
Main Comments
Are the are evaluations of ERA5-Land reanalysis dataset outside the use for hydrological modelling that might have relevant insights into regional differences? The studies currently cited seem largely focused on hydrological application though I assume there must also be other uses of this dataset?
(Section 4.3) As the authors discuss in this section, hydrological models can generally cope well with poor PET values given that they scale this input variable anyway. What would be nice to add to the discussion is the potential problem of biased parameters. Depending on the model structure, one or more parameters will absorb the bias in the forcing data. This is problematic if the resulting values are used to characterize the system (e.g. Bouaziz et al., 2022, HESS, https://doi.org/10.5194/hess-26-1295-2022 and references therein). Are there parameters in HBV that would show this bias? I could not find a good example in the literature, but it would be interesting to see how stepwise increases in PET are reflected in stepwise bias in a parameter.
In addition to the specific comments regarding the Caravan dataset, are there more general lessons to be learned? E.g. regarding how to benchmark new datasets? This general problem might come up more often in the future in various datasets.
Minor Comments
(Section 4.2) HBV and HyMod have been calibrated to the MOPEX catchments (precursor of CAMELS-US) with NSE (no KGE then) to identify problematic catchments (Kollat et al., 2012, WRR, doi:10.1029/2011WR011534). This might be a possible comparison of difficult to model catchments.
(Section 4.3) The low performance of models like HBV in chalk catchments in the south of the UK is significantly reduced when a more suitable model structure for groundwater processes used. See the recent study by Kiraz et al. (2023, HSJ, https://doi.org/10.1080/02626667.2023.2251968) – results for KGE are in the supplemental material of the study.